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impure_tale ([personal profile] impure_tale) wrote2011-02-14 10:46 pm

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Fellow denizens of the barge, I pose to you a question: 

What is your definition of blasphemy? 

I have a book here which defines it, rather simply, as irreverence toward the deities, artifacts, customs and tenets of a given religion. Which I suppose is a perfectly fair and universal explanation. But "irreverent" behavior -- don't you have to belong to that particular religion, or at least to the society that sanctions it, for it to count as blasphemy? 

For instance, most religions that use the Bible or some form of it hold to the notion that "taking God's name in vain" is a sin. Does this not apply merely to followers of that faith? If, say, I were to not be a member of the church (can you imagine?), I would therefore have no reason to hold the teachings of the Bible as sacred. Oui? By that logic, then, if someone were to, say, drop something particularly heavy on my foot, enough to induce extreme pain, then for me to exclaim "Jesus Christ!" should be perfectly acceptable. In turn -- because it's not just about teasing the Christians -- the same would be assumed if I were to say "Sweet fucking Tak!" instead, no? 

Is there a difference, aside from the fact that the religious whining is for once issuing the most loudly from a non-Christian?

This is not about respecting the differences of others -- I'm well aware that I could have made my point without such coarse language. I'm also well aware that if it were simply about respecting differing cultures, a Warden would not have been physically attacked today for "blaspheming" -- over Audio, where anyone could hear it, no less.

Has anything been done about this, by the way? Or were the lot of you simply having a laugh over it? 

as howie's not actually responding. sooooooorry.

[identity profile] deepdowndark.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
Blasphemy is knowingly using religious terms or items in an offensive manner - especially towards someone who believes in that faith.

If I pissed on a cross in front of a devout Christian, knowing it was a religious symbol, and doing it to offend them? That would be blasphemy. And I would expect to be punched for it.

If Narvin wishes to punish me for taking offence at the deliberate insulting of my God by mis-pronouncing his name on several occasions, then he can do so. But I will accept the same treatment if I would insult another God of another present. I think that's his business, not yours.

He takes your silence as conceding his point, Howie!

[identity profile] impure-tale.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:13 am (UTC)(link)
You can't punish idiots for being idiots.

And regardless of what you expect no one has the right to lay a finger on you if you did not physically attack them first.
Edited 2011-02-15 04:13 (UTC)

He will fanboy... so hard... if he finds out who you are, Marquis

[identity profile] bloodbisque.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:16 am (UTC)(link)
Blasphemy? Such a delightful topic of conversation to find on one's first day here.

[identity profile] impure-tale.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:16 am (UTC)(link)
Welcome to our humble madhouse.

voice

[identity profile] lotoftrouble.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
Feel free to take any of my pantheon's name in vain. Frankly, I don't care.

Usually Judas is pretty okay with the Marquis, buuuut.

[identity profile] heavenonthemind.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think you should use his name like that.

voice

[identity profile] impure-tale.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:19 am (UTC)(link)
I'll have to invent a few good ones, just for you.

voice

[identity profile] lotoftrouble.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:19 am (UTC)(link)
Make sure that one of them includes me. I don't think I've ever been blasphemed at before.

[identity profile] impure-tale.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
I do not care, Monsieur Iscariot. You know this already.

voice

[identity profile] impure-tale.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:24 am (UTC)(link)
You have my sincerest promise.

or he's just fucked up atm and CANNOT DEAL.

[identity profile] deepdowndark.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:24 am (UTC)(link)
He was not ignorant. He might act it, but he was not. He's worked with me long enough to know that is an offence.

It is within my rights to defend my faith. I did not cause him lasting damage, or attempt to.

[identity profile] impure-tale.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
If your faith is weak enough that it requires defending with violence against one middle-aged simpleton with too much time on his hands, then you should abandon it and find a stronger one.

When someone tries to stop you worshipping -- if someone physically punishes you for it, THEN you are within your rights to defend it.

Gods profess themselves to be all powerful; they do not require protection from the devout.

[identity profile] heavenonthemind.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:29 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, I certainly do.

[identity profile] bloodbisque.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
Mm. Shame I won't be staying long, if the subjects are always this interesting.

[identity profile] impure-tale.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
You're feeling certain of that, are you?

[identity profile] bloodbisque.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
Call it an aspiration. There are few certainties in life.
Edited 2011-02-15 04:36 (UTC)

[identity profile] impure-tale.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
It's one many Inmates have shared. I wish you good luck.

[identity profile] deepdowndark.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:39 am (UTC)(link)
And you misunderstand the nature of my religion entirely.

The only way I 'worship' (which is a human concept) my God is by revering His words, and showing them respect. We do not actively worship. In tolerating an insult to His name, I would have been accepting an insult to my only way of respecting my God.

Which is the equivalent to punishing me worshipping my God.

And this is still none of your business.

[identity profile] impure-tale.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:40 am (UTC)(link)
But no one else worships your God. You respect and revere his words. No one else is obligated to do the same.

I could very easily make it my business.

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[identity profile] so-meretricious.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
I have found it quite difficult to do anything but ignore religion altogether, a behaviour in and of itself that has been considered blasphemous.

[identity profile] deepdowndark.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
But part of that is making sure that others respect Tak. The Watch in Ankh-Morpork would not strike out a word in a Dwarf's presence. As a matter of respect for our beliefs on words.

It is between me and Narvin. Perhaps we have already discussed this. You have no knowledge of that.

[oh yah, voice]

[identity profile] boughtitall.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
Every act seems to offend someone's sensibilities or religion, no matter how seemingly inoffensive.
Edited 2011-02-15 04:54 (UTC)

[identity profile] impure-tale.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:52 am (UTC)(link)
I don't. You are right about that.

And see, the point is that I respect words as well. But I also respect the right of people to go about their lives as they choose when they are doing no real harm. In that light, I could also just as easily wait for it to happen again, and burn a book in public view in response.

[identity profile] vinkus-witch.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
I don't believe in blasphemy.

[identity profile] impure-tale.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
Precisely.

No one should have the right to protections against offense -- not over words. They become stronger people just by learning to ignore it.

Half the time people aiming to offend are doing so for attention.

Take my post, for example. The persons I wanted to respond have responded.

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