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impure_tale) wrote2009-11-04 09:00 pm
impure_tale) wrote2009-11-04 09:00 pm
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91 - Locked to Wardens
Explain to me why it is that beatings are not a suitable punishment for Inmates.
I'm torn often, I admit. I know for a fact that all the beatings I ever got in prison never taught me anything. I know I would not want to replicate the kind of punishment I, nor anyone I knew, faced. But that is a personal matter.
But otherwise, there are times and situations where I desperately get the feeling that accounts must be settled and there must be some form of...even handedness, and I know there are scenarios where I would use harsh and undue force to punish someone for their actions. To make them pay. The latter desire has not had cause to come up very often, and when it has done, I have tried to repress it for the sake of the principle of the former. So I understand the thought, but I cannot say I could accept it.
But otherwise, there are times and situations where I desperately get the feeling that accounts must be settled and there must be some form of...even handedness, and I know there are scenarios where I would use harsh and undue force to punish someone for their actions. To make them pay. The latter desire has not had cause to come up very often, and when it has done, I have tried to repress it for the sake of the principle of the former. So I understand the thought, but I cannot say I could accept it.
Private "Accounts must be settled" -- haha I see what u did thar
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impure-tale.livejournal.com
2009-11-05 02:16 am (UTC)(link)
It's not a matter of making him pay. He's going to. It's a matter of consequences that matter to the individual.
You've read Shakespeare, have you not?
It is still part of the school curriculum in the future, yes.
Then you are familiar with my Inmate.
But not why you want to beat him.
My latest entry. You tell me.
Private it's where his username comes from, dammit! they say it a lot...
accountsettled.livejournal.com
2009-11-05 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
Well, do you actually think he learnt anything from me punching him in the face? Or does he resent me more now than he did before? The consequence might have mattered more to him, but did it get anywhere? Probably not.
Violence is all he knows, I know. I...only knew violence as a means and a solution and just a way of existing for a very long time. But I didn't learn anything from martial punishment, I didn't learn anything from the violence I received in prison. That only taught me that violence is where the power lies.
I guess, the reasoning I would give for not using beatings as a punishment is that no matter how some would understand the consequences better than any other consequences, it serves little other purpose except punishment for the sake of punishment.
Violence is all he knows, I know. I...only knew violence as a means and a solution and just a way of existing for a very long time. But I didn't learn anything from martial punishment, I didn't learn anything from the violence I received in prison. That only taught me that violence is where the power lies.
I guess, the reasoning I would give for not using beatings as a punishment is that no matter how some would understand the consequences better than any other consequences, it serves little other purpose except punishment for the sake of punishment.
Edited 2009-11-05 02:31 (UTC)
Why do you always try and make me read things?
His stubbornness reminds me of you.
I never played apologist while trying to kill someone.
That all depends upon the inmate and circumstances, I suppose...
I said reminded, not that you were the same. And I did have the urge to shoot you a lot.
But I think you'd just be playing into his hand if you beat him.
But I think you'd just be playing into his hand if you beat him.
Fucked if I know...
So far as I'm concerned, they still are.
So far as I'm concerned, they still are.
Not only because it's morally wrong, but also because it makes us as bad as they are. If you can do it, then any of us can do it. What kind of message does that send to the inmates in general - especially the ones who actually had, and abused, positions of authority in their own world?
If we use violence, it justifies violent retribution on their part too. It justifies other morally rephrensible acts simply by setting a precedent.
If we use violence, it justifies violent retribution on their part too. It justifies other morally rephrensible acts simply by setting a precedent.
I often wonder that myself.
The punishment doesn't always fit the means, I guess. It's...I don't know. When a puppy pees in the house, you rub it's nose in it and swat their butt or their muzzle, and yet we're told violence isn't really the answer, that it doesn't set an example. Or, at least, not the right one. It used to be eye for an eye, but I feel like it would only make things worse. That they would feel less human and that's the opposite of what we're going for. We want them to be accepted into society and to behave in an acceptable manner. Beating someone isn't acceptable.
But damn if it isn't hard not to hit them sometimes. They're just so difficult, but where does it really get you? I think I'd feel worse in the long run. I'd be pissed at myself for sinking to the level of response that they often use. We need to re-teach their thinking and reactions, you know?
Wow, I sort of just went off on that one. Sorry, Marquis.
But damn if it isn't hard not to hit them sometimes. They're just so difficult, but where does it really get you? I think I'd feel worse in the long run. I'd be pissed at myself for sinking to the level of response that they often use. We need to re-teach their thinking and reactions, you know?
Wow, I sort of just went off on that one. Sorry, Marquis.
Same filter. He's totally arguing for the sake of argument right now
impure-tale.livejournal.com
2009-11-05 06:06 am (UTC)(link)
I agree. Violence is not acceptable.
If you want to instill a sense of empathy into a person who feels none how else do you do that aside from making them feel how they make their victims feel?
If you want to instill a sense of empathy into a person who feels none how else do you do that aside from making them feel how they make their victims feel?
Edited 2009-11-05 06:06 (UTC)
You're telling me you were never spanked as a child, monsieur? Not even in school?
It's cruel if it's in excess.
I doubt he'll be quite so snide when I rouse him for his chores tomorrow morning with a bucket of water.
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