91 - Locked to Wardens

[impure_tale]

Explain to me why it is that beatings are not a suitable punishment for Inmates.

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[accountsettled.livejournal.com]

I'm torn often, I admit. I know for a fact that all the beatings I ever got in prison never taught me anything. I know I would not want to replicate the kind of punishment I, nor anyone I knew, faced. But that is a personal matter.

But otherwise, there are times and situations where I desperately get the feeling that accounts must be settled and there must be some form of...even handedness, and I know there are scenarios where I would use harsh and undue force to punish someone for their actions. To make them pay. The latter desire has not had cause to come up very often, and when it has done, I have tried to repress it for the sake of the principle of the former. So I understand the thought, but I cannot say I could accept it.

Private "Accounts must be settled" -- haha I see what u did thar

[impure-tale.livejournal.com]

It's not a matter of making him pay. He's going to. It's a matter of consequences that matter to the individual.

[captain-jtkirk.livejournal.com]

Trouble, dear one?

[impure-tale.livejournal.com]

You've read Shakespeare, have you not?

[fullmetalcorset.livejournal.com]

That all depends upon the inmate and circumstances, I suppose...

[impure-tale.livejournal.com]

Are you a fan of Shakespeare, mademoiselle?

[acid_rayne]

Fucked if I know...

So far as I'm concerned, they still are.

[impure-tale.livejournal.com]

This, my dear, is why I admire you so.

[ace-hits-daleks.livejournal.com]

Because it's cruel!

[impure-tale.livejournal.com]

It's cruel if it's in excess.

[kingfor-aday.livejournal.com]

Not only because it's morally wrong, but also because it makes us as bad as they are. If you can do it, then any of us can do it. What kind of message does that send to the inmates in general - especially the ones who actually had, and abused, positions of authority in their own world?

If we use violence, it justifies violent retribution on their part too. It justifies other morally rephrensible acts simply by setting a precedent.

[impure-tale.livejournal.com]

You're telling me you were never spanked as a child, monsieur? Not even in school?

[with_discipline]

Would it make a difference?

[impure-tale.livejournal.com]

I would like for that idiot to equate staying out of Level 0 with an act of survival.

[tadwizard.livejournal.com]

Any reason?

[impure-tale.livejournal.com]

Because attempted murder doesn't equal a slap on the wrist.

[vikingvampire.livejournal.com]

I often wonder that myself.

[impure-tale.livejournal.com]

Truly? Is your Inmate that troublesome?

Same filter.

[some-kinda-hero.livejournal.com]

The punishment doesn't always fit the means, I guess. It's...I don't know. When a puppy pees in the house, you rub it's nose in it and swat their butt or their muzzle, and yet we're told violence isn't really the answer, that it doesn't set an example. Or, at least, not the right one. It used to be eye for an eye, but I feel like it would only make things worse. That they would feel less human and that's the opposite of what we're going for. We want them to be accepted into society and to behave in an acceptable manner. Beating someone isn't acceptable.

But damn if it isn't hard not to hit them sometimes. They're just so difficult, but where does it really get you? I think I'd feel worse in the long run. I'd be pissed at myself for sinking to the level of response that they often use. We need to re-teach their thinking and reactions, you know?

Wow, I sort of just went off on that one. Sorry, Marquis.

Same filter. He's totally arguing for the sake of argument right now

[impure-tale.livejournal.com]

I agree. Violence is not acceptable.

If you want to instill a sense of empathy into a person who feels none how else do you do that aside from making them feel how they make their victims feel?

[warmscalpelhigh.livejournal.com]

Some of them might like it too much.

[impure-tale.livejournal.com]

Quite true.

[cigarillosnguns.livejournal.com]

I'm sure it equates to torture of some kind in someone's mind.

[impure-tale.livejournal.com]

And I'll be happy to enlighten any such idiot that dares suggest it.

max jokes to avoid her own issues.

[youdaman.livejournal.com]

What? Beatings aren't allowed? I feel sort of ripped off.

Same filter

[una_persson]

To encourage us to be more creative in our dealings with them? Beatings aren't particularly imaginative. Generally speaking, anyway.

Same filter

[impure-tale.livejournal.com]

Madame, if anyone can think up an imaginative beating, I can.